[Conversation] Atsushi Ide and Hiroshi Wataya talk about "Everyone loves them, right? Lacoste polo shirts."(1/2)

Ide Atsushi
Columnist. Born in Shizuoka in 1960. He became fascinated with American casual fashion after browsing the "MADE IN USA catalog" in his second year of junior high school. Since then, he has been into American casual fashion for over 30 years. He writes columns for magazines such as "Begin" and "Men's EX". He co-authored "Begin Special Edition: The Instruction Manual for 'Now'" with Hiroshi Wataya, a Big Man Special edition that compiles all 57 episodes of the popular "Now-R" and "Now-Noren" series from "Begin" which started in 2006, along with special features, and is currently on sale.
Hiroshi Wataya
Illustrator. Born in Tokyo in 1957. Nicknamed "The Master Painter." Began working as an illustrator in 1979 with Popeye magazine. Since then, he has contributed to numerous men's magazines, including Men's Club, and is particularly popular for his orthodox men's fashion illustrations, drawn in a style that inherits the golden age of American illustration in the 1950s and 60s. He also has a deep knowledge of classic men's attire. On the other hand, he is also popular for his experiential reports with comical illustrations and text, showcasing his multifaceted talents.
Memories of my first Lacoste purchase
In a conversation between Mr. Ide and Mr. Wataya that was sure to bring a smile to your face, Mr. Ide appeared with about 20 of his own Lacoste shirts. The conversation began with him saying, "I think this French Lacoste is the oldest one."
I brought my Lacoste from home today , but I'm sure everyone from the American casual generation has some too. The oldest one is a French Lacoste I bought when I was in high school, and I also bought an American-made Izod Lacoste around the same time. The Izod ones have a longer back panel.
Back then, the original was French Lacoste , the American-made was Izod, and the Japanese-made was Lacoste by Osawa & Co., and they all had the word "Lacoste" inside the crocodile logo. I remember that the ones without the word were the French-made ones.

Back in high school, I actually thought single-point logos were kind of uncool. In issue 5 or 6 of the magazine "Popeye" (founded in 1976), there was a photo of the editor at the time, Takeshi Matsuyama, styled by Katsuhiko Kitamura, sitting cross-legged in a black long-sleeved Lacoste shirt, gray pants, and either Adidas Stan Smiths or Clarks Desert Boots. It was a French Lacoste shirt. When "Popeye" was released, all the Lacoste shirts in Tokyo sold out, and since black was rare at the time, French Lacoste shirts became popular. Everyone was surprised because I thought single-point logos were uncool. About a year later, I bought a French Lacoste shirt for around 9800 yen at an import shop in Shimokitazawa. I think the Izod was around 7800 yen .
Wataya: I was in the tennis club in high school, and at first I wore Crocodile, and then I wore Japanese-made Lacoste, but my club advisor was wearing a Lacoste with no writing inside the crocodile logo that he bought at Ameyoko, and I thought, "He's a real working adult" (laughs). I couldn't afford the French-made ones because I was a high school student. I've only ever bought one French Lacoste in my life.
Back then , it was used to describe "NEETs." The meaning of NEET is different from what it means today; at the time, it was used to mean "neat, tidy, clean, well-proportioned."

The way you wear a polo shirt changes with the times!
Wataya: About 10 years ago, Ide-kun and I happened to be wearing Lacoste, and when the three of us sat side-by-side at a snack bar counter, someone asked us, "Are you from some kind of crocodile association?" (laughs).Oh yeah, that happened. When you're in a pinch during summer interviews, Lacoste is your go-to choice.
Wataya: The other day, I was watching The Folk Crusaders on YouTube and I noticed that Kazuhiko Kato was wearing a polo shirt with one collar standing up, and I thought, "Wow!"
Polo shirts definitely go in and out of fashion. Back in the day, Izod's burgundy color was popular with surfers, and people would say, "Don't button your polo shirt, leave the neckline open in a V shape, and wear it with the sleeves bunched up tightly." Sometimes a faded collar from repeated washing was considered cool, and during the Lacoste boom, a crisp collar was preferred. I didn't think so, but some people would button their polo shirts all the way up and wear a T-shirt underneath.

The Polo Shirt = Jeans Debate
For Wataya's lantern sleeves to be really tight, you need to have pretty strong upper arms.I think polo shirts look best on people with a good physique, like rugby players. They don't suit middle-aged people with just a big belly, though.
When you think of it as a fashion item, like jeans, it's surprisingly difficult to figure out the right timing to wear it after you buy it. If it's brand new, it's too formal, and if it's too worn out, it's too casual. It's hard to judge that perfect balance between new and worn. The collar is the tricky part.
When you watch old Italian vacation movies, you see people wearing beltless trousers with polo shirts tucked in, but that's difficult for Japanese people to pull off.
Wataya: Our generation has a lot of fond memories of French Lacoste, but looking at the Lacoste that Ide-san brought, I realize that it's the same as jeans in that you can still wear it even after 30 years. It's hard to throw it away, isn't it?
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